@djoerd infinite scrolling is worse in every conceivable way than pagination
@djoerd this is so frustratingly written. especially if you expect and if one of your headlines is "Where's all this going?" you know you did something wrong.
anyway, the relevant sentence is: "In the case of infinite scrolling, I think there's two routes an ethical anti-designer could take to help the person using their product scroll healthily: they could get rid of it or they could interrupt it."
I think starting to think about "defanging" the dark patterns of corporate social media apps is extremely important but I also think that in the end the conversation has to evolve to a much more subtle point.
Corporate social media preys upon users with addictive dark patterns and that is clearly a bad thing.
However, if you remove the corporation and just have an addictive drug then we enter the murky waters of the ethics of drug use and judging what other people use to cope.
Is using a fediverse app designed to be less addictive better for me than using an addictive fediverse app?
... However if I am in a mental headspace where I am searching for something addictive to cope with depression, anxiety, exhaustion etc.. is an addictive fediverse app where I end up talking to yall better than alternatives?
I mean I dunno, thats where the question gets really interesting.
drugs mention, social media
Also, if there is effective consent between developers and users of addictive fediverse apps (a conversation that could never BEGIN to happen on corporate social media) than that is also totally ok in my book, maybe even a moral good.
Which isn't to say that developing non-addictive fediverse apps isn't super important, just that the conversation is much more interesting than just shunning what amounts to drug use basically.
we live in a world of widespread digital addiction so to help people move to the #openweb with out digital drugs we would need a huge social work/cold Turkey structure which simply do not exist.
This movement https://njms.ca/posts/ethical-anti-design.html can be seen as the Nancy Reagan "just say no to drugs" campaign. Ie. dangerously pointless.
its complex, we need to build bridges and hold them in place.
@djoerd FWIW there is no infinite scroll in Tusky. It fetches a fixed number of toots from the top of your timeline, and when you scroll past that you get a "load more" button and the part of your timeline that you've already seen. I like that.
@djoerd I've been harping on this point for ages* though I'm not sure a client can mitigate some of the underlying protocol design decisions. My thinking lately tends towards the conclusion that the most ethical social network is akin to #IndieWeb and a #RSS reader.
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