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The Fediverse should get rid of the addictive dark patternes that were copied from Twitter & co

njms.ca/posts/ethical-anti-des

@djoerd infinite scrolling is worse in every conceivable way than pagination

@khaosgrille @djoerd well at least infinite scrolling is a thing with pleroma as well, dont know about misskey though
@felifeli @djoerd i would not see it as a dark pattern since we have much more options and ways to filter our timeline to our needs. but on the other hand we dont get abritary limits like mastodon does

@djoerd this is so frustratingly written. especially if you expect and if one of your headlines is "Where's all this going?" you know you did something wrong.

anyway, the relevant sentence is: "In the case of infinite scrolling, I think there's two routes an ethical anti-designer could take to help the person using their product scroll healthily: they could get rid of it or they could interrupt it."

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I wonder if the writer of this article has checked out brutaldon they might really like it! (is that you? I am unsure from context my b).

It has the option for pagination instead of infinite scrolling among other things

brutaldon.online/about

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@djoerd FWIW there is no infinite scroll in Tusky. It fetches a fixed number of toots from the top of your timeline, and when you scroll past that you get a "load more" button and the part of your timeline that you've already seen. I like that.

@djoerd I've been harping on this point for ages* though I'm not sure a client can mitigate some of the underlying protocol design decisions. My thinking lately tends towards the conclusion that the most ethical social network is akin to #IndieWeb and a #RSS reader.

* social.unextro.net/@ondra/1059

@djoerd bloatfe for pleroma (at the very least) uses pagination as opposed to infinite scrolling. I'm not sure if honk does the same, I'd have to use it again to be sure. honk also deals with a lot of other (real and purported) antipatterns so it may be of interest to you if you can get past the wacky names for everything
@djoerd I feel fedi does a pretty good job overall in this regard as the content is not tailored by algorithms to keep you engaged. But I look forward to different designs/solutions.
@djoerd pleroma-fe used to let you disable infinite scrolling, but they took it out in an update claiming they didn't think it was used much or something. Horrible.
https://git.pleroma.social/pleroma/pleroma-fe/-/issues/920
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