Move to MS 365 is illegal in Europe...
... but so far RU does seem to be invested too far in it already
@djoerd Ik ben eigenlijk benieuwd hoe dat bij andere opleidingen zit - ik ken genoeg MBO- en HBO-instituten die volledig in de O365-omgeving zitten.
@doenietzomoeilijk ik ken er ook een paar...
So the entire university somehow fell into a sunk cost fallacy and dropped privacy concerns? The same university that had to back-paddle in late 2018 on certain privacy-unfriendly settings in their LMS?
@jpvanacken wow, I didn't know that story yet...
@djoerd IIRC the discussion was mainly about teachers potentially being able to look up the timestamps and time investement on students' work. The students argued that teachers might rate work worse the later it had been handed it.
Main goal of teachers/staff I talked to back then seemed to be only the total amount of time spent on online assignments, rather than exact timings.
Assumption: technically possible. But: instead of a fix/change the thing was pretty much shut down.
@jpvanacken I can understand the students' worries
@hans oh, de *ouders* moesten het nog betalen, ook? Wow.
@djoerd I think it is not illegal if European citizin data stays in Europe, and AFAIK Microsoft has good facilities in Europe (and anticipated to GDPR to ensure this would not be a problem) - so this may not be completely correct.
@arjen This is another "shocking if true" toot! (Bart Jacobs thinks differently)
@arjen Btw, I received an email... that the transition to MS365 will change my email address... ???
@djoerd I think the existing email addresses live on as aliases, it is the departure of using uXXXXXX as accountname and switching to email address as accountname. Not sure why that is necessary, but they probably thought about it 😉
@djoerd note the "I think" I forgot the "not a lawyer" disclaimer :-) But provided that the data remain in Europe, I'm not sure whether validity of the Privacy Shield deal matters at all - I have always understood that this covers the data of European citizens that would reside in data centres in the US. But, again, no-laywer-disclaimer!
@djoerd I agree with Bart that we should just build something ourselves instead of buying in from Big Tech, but that is a different (not that legal) discussion.
@arjen tbh, after Snowden"s revelations, I don't see where the "I am not a lawyer, but I trust our data at US big tech is legally sufficiently protected from the NSA" is based on...
@djoerd if you want to prohibit to use software originating from outside Europe (let's not trust China or Russia more than USA) ... I think at least 90% of processes in our society will stop.
We are decades behind.
@arjen I wonder if if matter where the software originates. I don't think it does: It matters where the data resides. Jacobs also worries about the data.
I trust MS Exchange (on premises) more than MS 365 in the cloud, even though the software is probably for a large part the same.
@djoerd data fro. Europe resides in Europe AFAIK https://docs.microsoft.com/nl-nl/microsoft-365/enterprise/o365-data-locations?view=o365-worldwide#faq
@arjen Yes, but you're not a lawyer, I know. 😛
@djoerd and not an M$ specialist either 🙂
From the cloud providers AWS/GCP/Azure, they try hardest to comply with local rules and provide opportunities to run on-premise if you want to, but I don't know all the details. It's become all so complicated!
@arjen Yes, it depends on US law too! Can the US government subpoena our data?
@hans is this really used in practice? Last time I looked at it I was disappointingly convinced that our government would choose an eherkenning like approach for such services (maybe biased as I was working for a eH-provider)
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