@arjen read & publish seems a narrow view: why not (given that most ACM publications are from conferences) also include 'patricipate' in the equation? Profit from conferences is substantial.

@djoerd part of that profit is from sponsoring? And a lot flows back already, supporting student travel in the next year.

Dunno, I think I'd focus on publisher role first. But you could include other SIG activities. Not sure if it makes it easier to tackle all the challenges!

@arjen As you know from 2007, ACM has strict budgetting rules for conferences. Wouldn't it be more easy to also budget OA costs in the registration fees (and yes, sponsoring)? Now maybe I am missing something..?

@djoerd then only author pays for OA - would lead to very high registration fees.

@arjen no, if we both participate, and you present while I listen: We share the cost of your OA publication.

@arjen suppose publishing SIGIR proceedings cost Euro 10,000 (which should be more than enough to cover the actual costs) registration fees go up with 10 Euro, no big deal.

@arjen I used to get a paper copy of the proceedings which' actual cost were probably close to Euro 10 too. We've budgetted these costs for a long time

@djoerd well I cannot deny I look forward to the open access ECIR 2021 proceedings :-) Show us the way!!

@arjen for ECIR the figures are much less positive. Springer charges commercial prices (say 40,000 for the proceedings), but the number of participant is 1/4 of that of SIGIR :-(

@arjen BTW, I dug up the SIGIR 2017 budget (and the SIGIR 2002 actual cost that we based the budget on) and we budgeted € 13 per printed proceedings, so about € 10,000 for about 750 participants.

@arjen The actual number was "599 registrees for the main conference (a new record for Europe)" also "the first (conference) with an RSS feed" 😆

sigir.org/files/forum/2007D/20

@djoerd and lowest early student registration rate ever I believe. Budgetting wizardie :_)

@arjen anyways, we probably spend 8,000 euro for the printed proceedings, before they were locked up in the ACM digital library..

@arjen I wonder what the costs of CDs are... I believe that they are sent to all SIGIR members...? it's crazy

@djoerd but not with the other thousands of readers (hopefully :-))

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